all of their plans, including paul ryan's 2010 plan, was about breaking down the base and moving people over. one of the things frustrating about this debate is we've gone to a place in politics where we've refused to accept the fact of this reform. the individual market is a place where the recent prices are what they are as we discriminate against the sick and the old and women and people who can't read the fine print of insurance. we are fixing that and it's going to be important that we fix it. it doesn't mean no one will have a tough time in the changeover, and we need to help those folks, but we also need to recognize if we're going to make things better, there is a process of difficulty to do that. >> i'm out of time, but this is really where i think the administration wants to argue the plus side that you've already seen on the affordable care act and argue the real peril of the status quo. i have to leave it there. but thank you both for being here. we're going to come back and talk a little about the catholic church. why the church has turned against the president's health car